Topic: The smoking situation where you live...

[Fishyneil]

They have kicked smokers out of most buildings?  They are doing it more and more down here.  I'm surprised they businesses don't make somthing to shelter smoking customers from the weather.  Where I work, they pushed smokers further away from the building, but they put one of those low cost garages with benches inside for them to smoke in.

In Canada, they have banished smoking from most buildings including bars. You have to smoke outside if you want to have a ciggy. Most places are out in the open so, with the Canadian environment, it makes it very nasty. I wish there were sheltered places to smoke but no one seems to give a fuck about us.
 In Nova Scotia, you can't smoke on hospital property at all. I love seeing people with IV's in their arms out on the sidewalk forced out there in the element's to smoke It's also illegal to smoke in your own vehicle with anyone under 16 in NS. Not a bad thing but goes to show how much they are clamping down on it here.
 Places should put out butt bucket's or something if they don't want me to put my ciggy butt on the ground. I always use butt receptacles where available. If any one complains about me smoking outside, I will punch them in the nose.
Rant over.
Fishy

[trice]

Pretty much the same here..

[Tiggy Puddin]

Consider the poor Dutch - what to do?



http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=7149825a-7cd3-445d-840d-cd4b4feaa761

I love the reference to "spokescop".  :D

[Fishyneil]

I know a lot of people who will let me smoke a spliff in their house but won't let me smoke a fag.
Fishy

[Vancouver]

pfffpfffpfff. you said fag. Funny. SO Austrailian. You sure shouldn't say that here..."ya Im just going out for a fag..." uh-uh you can not say that here 

The smoking rules are the same here as in NS. Brutal.
and if one fucking person dares post "well you shouldn't smoke" Imma punch them in the nose.  (seriously fack off wit that.)

[jakemaster1390]

Here in Orillia, You are unable to smoke in an establishment unless it has a separate built room for smoking, But I think we don't control any smoking in cars yet. Though ever since they implemented the smoking ban lets just say I have been breathing better when I go into restaurants and has made some others better tasting without the smoke. Though I feel sorry for smokers who have to go outside because I believe everybody has a choice to do what they want but I would like to see people quit.

[golfinwithflames]

It's banned in any public building here as well and they are trying to go even further than that. One club in Columbus has defied the law in protest and they get fined daily. Fight the good smoke fight, I say.
I work as a manager in a tech support call center so I'm surrounded and involved with geeky bullshit talk all day. I go out to do some inhalin' at the smoking area (a 2 vehicle carport with 2 picnic benches) which is conveniently erected next to the handicapped parking  and every ma'fucker wants to bitch to me about the call they just had. Now I just go out to the van in peace. I can blast some Rush while smoke rings fill the air.

Oh, and you can't smoke in a vehicle if it is used for working purposes. How stupid. I don't know how many lives of my beloved "stupid fucking Ohio drivers" have been spared because I can smoke behind the wheel. If I drove for a living it'd be a bloodbath 

[jquindlen]

It's the same over here in bum fuck Egypt (Spokane, WA, USA)

I can't believed its banned in bars.  Such total bullshit.  I mean, you're in a fucking bar, of course people want to smoke.  If the smoke bothers you at the bar, then fuck off.  It's really that simple.

One bar here in town was on the local news for awhile because they openly advertised that they still allowed smoking and opposed the law.  They had some balls, but the state government took away their liquor license.

Regulation is the antithesis of freedom.

[Ms Vee]

Some bars here (in Coquitlam, anyway) have outdoor smoking rooms attached with heaters when it is cold.  It's usually packed in those areas. At my house anyone who wants to smoke always goes out to the back deck for a ciggie or joint.
Some of the coolest peeps are smokers. 

[scoobysnack]

I'm not a smoker of tobacco myself.  I do feel sorry for the smokers forced outside on cold nights, and in the rain.  If I owned a bar I would create a smoking shelter outside, which would attract a lot of business if I made it nice and warm.

We smoke in my house, but cigarettes are smoked outside or in the garage in the winter.

I can't believe they have a law that you can't smoke in a car with a child 16 or below.  It's obvious to anyone who looks at the history of the smoking bans, that the goal is either banning it all together, or criminalizing it, incrementally of course.  I read a story from England about a guy fined for smoking in his van that he used for work, but he wasn't working at the time, and was going out for groceries.  I'm sure soon they will ban smoking in your home if there is a child of a below a certain age living with you. 

Just like during prohibition when they banned all alchol in US, a black market will rise, just like exists for everthing else illegal.

[ronni mordant]

hey ive never posted on here before but ive been a reader for a long time
i live in maine usa very close to the new hampshire border where smoking in bars is still legal
however a recent law was passed im not exactly sure the wording but food oriented places have to be non smoking 

[Fishyneil]

I don't mind that law one little bit. People have no choice but to stop for food for themselves and their children. The big problem I have is that bars are also included in the smoking ban. I believe people have to be 19+ to go there so they can make up their own minds if they want to expose themselves to a smoking environment or not. Bars can decide individually whether or not they want smoking in their establishments. Patrons can decide, based on that, whether they want to patronize those establishments based on whether there is smoking allowed there or not.
 Cigar bars are a perfect example.
BTW, welcome ronni
Fishy

[trice]

Smokers have the Scarlet Letter on them..

[ronni mordant]

i agree totally

thanks fish and trice

 i work in construction so i can smoke if i want for the most part
but ive seen some real dinks have to smoke out in front of there offices and such cause they cant hide out back

 

[Fishyneil]

Then they're "labelled" as outcasts and criminals. We are just trying to follow the rules yet get shit on.
Fishy

[trice]

This will be all of us...

[scoobysnack]

[2] 2. Thomas Sowell, Ph.D., "Indoctrinating the Children," Forbes, February 1, 1993), 65

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"The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective."
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[cart girl]

Places should put out butt bucket's or something if they don't want me to put my ciggy butt on the ground. I always use butt receptacles where available. If any one complains about me smoking outside, I will punch them in the nose.
Rant over.
Fishy

um, fishy, really?  as a pretty much chain smoker, i have no problem with anyone smoking outside, inside, wherever, but throwing your butts on the ground, no matter WHERE, is littering.  field strip that butt and stick it in your pocket until you find a butt can or a trash can!  butts are the NUMBER one form of litter, and those filter tips never biodegrade (yes, never).
 as to the other issues,  im in florida, and as a smoker and restaurant worker for 20+ years, i believe that in restaurants and bars, actually ALL establishments, it should be up to the OWNER of the establishment, therefore, if it's a smoking restaurant/bar/whatever, you know ahead of time before you become a patron or employee...and if owners notice a huge drop in business from being a smoking establishment, then i bet you'll see them go to non smoking.

[Fishyneil]

[Oz]

Here there is absolutely no smoking in bars and restaurants full stop. If you want to smoke, it's in a designated smoking area outside (formerly known as beer gardens here) or out in the street.

I was a smoker when they introduced the legislation and found I smoked less when I was at a bar and subsequently felt better the next morning. I thought it was a great idea.

Now I don't smoke and find it easier to not take it up again with those laws in place. Every day is a struggle not to spark up a smoke and it's been more than 6 months.

[stinky]

Here in Scotland they banned smoking a couple of years ago and now England have followed too.
No smoking in Bars, Restaurants etc.
No smoking in the workplace has been here for years.

One strange one, you are not allowed to smoke in a company vehicle.
So if you are a truck driver and you are driving from England into Scotland you need to stop for a fag once you have crossed the border.

 

[scoobysnack]

Here in Scotland they banned smoking a couple of years ago and now England have followed too.
No smoking in Bars, Restaurants etc.
No smoking in the workplace has been here for years.

One strange one, you are not allowed to smoke in a company vehicle.
So if you are a truck driver and you are driving from England into Scotland you need to stop for a fag once you have crossed the border.

Ever notice the double speak the government talks.  They say by taking away freedoms, we are gaining freedoms.  In this case the freedom to go out to eat or for a drink without being forced to inhale second hand smoke.

As the countries in the EU give up more national sovergnty, you will be forced to honor laws created by people outside your country.  There are pros and cons of world government, and overall, it's bad.



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because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
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because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
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Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

-- Martin Niemoeller (talking about life under Hitler), one of the most respected Protestant leaders in Germany.

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-- President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992

"It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison, and yet not free - to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national state, or of some private interest within the nation, wants him to think, feel and act.

"The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective."
Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958

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[heavymetaldick]

I've noticed that within in the past two years smoking become less tolerated.
I dont care too much because I smoke way more weed than tobacco.
The cool thing is it seems smoking a joint is as acceptable as a cigarette now.
But really, if people complain about smoking - fuck 'em! All it is a smell and trace amounts of second hand smoke is no worse than pollution.