got it figured out about midnight last night. My dish has a dual LBN and I had to add satellite Nimiq 1,3 and Nimiq 2. I hadn't added 2 before, but when I did that, it was over 600 channels, not all tv but still they're there. Got the kids stuff, and my stuff. I'll rescan for Sunday ticket later to see if I can pick that up, but probably not.