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Author Topic: Things you've heard about living in the U.S. and wonder if they're true.  (Read 1917 times)

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Saucy Bastard

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A note on House prices : In Vancouver , a 3 bedroom house is no less than 600,000 , with many , in average+ neighbourhoods now exceeding $1,000,000 ($880,000 US). Where I live ,a 40 minute Ferry trip and 1 hour drive from Vancouver , you can't find anything under $300,000 , and that's a trailer. In our neighbourhood , houses are in the 375,000-$500,000 range , and that's just the 3 bedroom's on a nice lot. We have many nearby , exceeding 1,000,000 .
This is not typical for Canada. Vancouver is now very expensive (if you've been there , you would know why , as it's really one of the best places in the World to live), and we  (Sunshine Coast) are rapidly becoming the most desireable place to live ,outside of Vancouver....
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Well, here in the Valley(N.S.), our bungalow which we purchased for $103,000 2 yrs ago (it's 16 years old, in a nice subdivision) could now sell for $150,000 + but there are some homes which are so over-priced, it's rediculous. We could never sell and buy another half decent house, without me going back to work, and right now I just can't do that . So, we'll just stay where we are, but we sure would like to move closer to Halifax Metro area. :roll:
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A note on House prices : In Vancouver , a 3 bedroom house is no less than 600,000 , with many , in average+ neighbourhoods now exceeding $1,000,000 ($880,000 US). Where I live ,a 40 minute Ferry trip and 1 hour drive from Vancouver , you can't find anything under $300,000 , and that's a trailer. In our neighbourhood , houses are in the 375,000-$500,000 range , and that's just the 3 bedroom's on a nice lot. We have many nearby , exceeding 1,000,000 .
This is not typical for Canada. Vancouver is now very expensive (if you've been there , you would know why , as it's really one of the best places in the World to live), and we  (Sunshine Coast) are rapidly becoming the most desireable place to live ,outside of Vancouver...

Yup....Sauce and I live in roughly the same neck of the woods and I can attest to what he's sayin. On my Island {20 min ferry ride + 30 mins to downtown} this week the lowest listed house was $445,000...and is being marketed as a "starter home" with 2 bdms,2 bath.
Most homes run in the $600,000 + range {for a modest 3 bdrm} up to a couple of million for swankier digs.

My bro in law is a mortage broker/lender at the bank and what he's seeing is people buying far above their means and then doing stupid things like borrowing against their home to finance cars,trips and other luxery items. Couple that with the maxed out credit cards and alot of people are going to be in some serious shit.

I noticed in the last month or so here a lot of forsale signs as people are trying to max out their profit. Now this isn't new but the fact that they aren't moving as quickly as they did even 6 months ago, when it was common for a house to go in less than a day...tells me the buying market is getting nervous.

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My bro in law is a mortage broker/lender at the bank and what he's seeing is people buying far above their means and then doing stupid things like borrowing against their home to finance cars,trips and other luxery items. Couple that with the maxed out credit cards and alot of people are going to be in some serious shit.

As usual TC you have made a very astute observation and things are going to get much worse before they get better especially for those who hold mortgages known as option ARMS.

Here are a few exerpts of what is about to happen as the thousands and thousands of opton 
ARM mortgages are resetting at much higher payment schedules.

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Gordon Burger is among the first wave of option ARM casualties. The 42-year-old police officer from a suburb of Sacramento, Calif., is stuck in a new mortgage that's making him poorer by the month. Burger, a solid earner with clean credit, has bought and sold several houses in the past. In February he got a flyer from a broker advertising an interest rate of 2.2%. It was an unbeatable opportunity, he thought. If he refinanced the mortgage on his $500,000 home into an option ARM, he could save $14,000 in interest payments over three years. Burger quickly pulled the trigger, switching out of his 5.1% fixed-rate loan. "The payment schedule looked like what we talked about, so I just started signing away," says Burger. He didn't read the fine print.

After two months Burger noticed that the minimum payment of $1,697 was actually adding $1,000 to his balance every month. "I'm not making any ground on this house; it's a loss every month," he says. He says he was told by his lender, Minneapolis-based Homecoming Financial, a unit of Residential Capital, the nation's fifth-largest mortgage shop, that he'd have to pay more than $10,000 in prepayment penalties to refinance out of the loan. If he's unhappy, he should take it up with his broker, the bank said. "They know they're selling crap, and they're doing it in a way that's very deceiving," he says. "Unfortunately, I got sucked into it." In a written statement, Residential said it couldn't comment on Burger's loan but that "each mortgage is designed to meet the specific financial needs of a consumer."


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Most of the pain will be born by ordinary people. And it's already happening. More than a fifth of option ARM loans in 2004 and 2005 are upside down -- meaning borrowers' homes are worth less than their debt. If home prices fall 10%, that number would double. "The number of houses for sale is tripling in some markets, so people are not going to get out of their debt," says the Ford Foundation's McCarthy. "A lot are going to walk."

Jennifer and Eric Hinz of Somerset, Wis., are feeling the squeeze. They refinanced out of a 5.25% fixed-rate, 30-year loan in June, 2005, and into an option ARM with a 1% teaser rate from Indymac Bank. The $1,483 payment for their original mortgage dropped to as low as $747 with the new option ARM. They say they had no idea when they signed up, however, that the low payment adds $600 in deferred interest to their balance every month. Worse, they thought the 1% would last three years, but they're already paying 7.68%. "What reasonable human being would ever knowingly give up a 5.25% fixed-rate for what we're getting now?" says Eric, 36, who works in commercial construction. Refinancing is out because they can't afford the $15,000 or so in fees. "I'm paying more, and the interest is just going up and up and up," says Jennifer, 34, a stay-at-home mom. "I feel like we got totally screwed." They say their mortgage broker has stopped returning their phone calls. Indymac declined to comment on the loan's specifics.
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That's one of the reasons I'll never move to a big city where these issues with property prices are present.  I don't know how people can afford to pay that much for a house.  And then to get screwed over by these ARMS would drive me to run away and leave everything.
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My sister and her husband bought their home 2 years ago for $409,000. I thought they were insane and it was to much..Last assessed value had it at 700,000. Now they face a dilemma of sorts. Sell now...max out and get the hell out of dodge. Buy back in somewhere {probably far away from the city and maybe out of province.} at a lower cost possibly outright and invest any profit into something rather nice and safe for retirement. Or stay where they are...knowing that a downturn is coming and hold onto the place until the kids are grown and gone and the mortgage is basically paid. Then sell the house for retirement. Thankfully my bro in law is a smart guy and they signed at a reasonable rate fixed in. If the house devalues they will always be able to make the mortgage payments regardless because they stayed within their earning power,and will own it outright before they are 55. They have a line of credit for about 75,000. They have yet to touch it. It is specifically there for the house if it ever needs major work {new roof etc..}. To me they represent the smart home owner. Careful, conservative and most importantly not letting living a "lifestyle" now,ruin their future. Both make good money and could probably upgrade their level of perceived "socio-economic"status if they wished.Instead they have chosen to be responsible and not succume to the pressure's of 'having it all'. They are mindful that they have 2 kids at present and mabye more later, that will cost a shitload to get through University.

Here's a stupid homeowner.
My bro-in law had a client recently who took a 90,000 loan against their overpriced house. The money is to be used for a new car for her, and a family trip to Europe. My bro in law {against bank policy basically } almost begged them not to do it. He pointed out that if the market were to downturn just a fraction and rates adjust just a bit..or their home needed serious repair,they were putting themselves in an awful position financially. They didn't listen. They insisted they had it under control...nothing was going to happen....BC's booming...what's the problem,blah blah blah. The couple in question is 27 years old and have 2 small children. They are buying their way into a world of pain later to keep up with the Jones' now.

Greed is not good..

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I feel really bad for many of the old retired folks around here. Many bought 50+ years ago , often waterfront. Now their property tax's are crippling them!

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I remember when we were looking for houses up here in Thunder Bay last year, there was one 15mins outside town (nothing at all) 45 acres of land, 3 bedrooms, 2 car garage, indoor pool and outdoor Finnish sauna, with the entire property surrounded by large evergreens from the road - $260k.. way out of our range.. but we decided to ask for a viewing just to see what kinda bang you get for your buck up here (being from southern ontario originally 2h outside TO).. The same house, almost anywhere in southern ontario would easily go for $400k+ simply because of the pool, and size of house - not to mention the 45 acres. Really goes to show how drastically different the markets are..
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