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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5044560.stm
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Twelve men have been arrested in Toronto on terror charges, Canadian police have confirmed. They are also holding five youths.

Police said the men were planning to commit a series of al-Qaeda-inspired terrorist attacks in southern Ontario.

They had obtained components used in bomb-making, including three tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

Officials said the group "posed a real and serious threat. It had the capacity and intent to carry out these attacks."

Ammonium nitrate is a commonly-used fertiliser.

"To put it in context, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people was completed with only one ton of ammonium nitrate," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) assistant commissioner Mike McDonnell.

"Our investigation and arrests prevented the assembly of any bombs and the attacks from being carried out," he added.

The RCMP and other government security agencies have been conducting a lengthy investigation involving 400 people.
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Canadians don't want to steal oil, so they must be safe... right?
« Reply #2 on: Jun 03, 2006, 12:42 PM »
I can see where this thread is gonna go...... :samsquanch: :samsquanch: :poke: :poke: :fencing: :fencing:

If we wern't now backing the US , would this have happened?????????????????????
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Canadians don't want to steal oil, so they must be safe... right?
« Reply #3 on: Jun 03, 2006, 01:10 PM »
Gotta sell the public on our presence in Afghanistan........how timely to find "terrorists" here now.


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« Reply #4 on: Jun 03, 2006, 01:40 PM »
That's so crazy .......did you know that we are the ONLY country that has NOT been attacked by terrorists that is involved in the "war". But I like how we're always getting blamed for harbouring them and they can go to hell with that crap.

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« Reply #5 on: Jun 03, 2006, 05:55 PM »
Gotta sell the public on our presence in Afghanistan........how timely to find "terrorists" here now.

*sigh* This could get ugly...sorry. Your comment really made me mad. When are we going to learn? When we look at the Toronto skyling minus the CN Tower? Attitudes like that are the problem with this country. We're quick to blame ourselves. "The only reason why terrorists would attack Canada is because we're supporting the U.S. in Afghanistan." Bullshit! Wake up everyone, this is the new Canada. We all like to pretend that Canada is different from the U.S., but we have more similarities than dissimilarities. An Islamic fundamentalist terrorist who hates Western ideals would have a hard time telling the difference between Canada and the U.S.

What have we been wasting our time with lately? Gay marriage and marijuana legislation, that's what. What have we been ignoring? Improving our immigration laws and homeland security.

The terrorists are here and they want to kill us for who we are. Period. Live in denial all you want, people.

You may all commence your bashing.

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Canadians don't want to steal oil, so they must be safe... right?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 03, 2006, 07:20 PM »
Great comment RNC - maybe if someone lives in the biggest fackin' city in the country they can have a more informed opinion!  Cheers bro!

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 03, 2006, 08:09 PM »
R and C since you decided to use my comment ...I'll respond.

I'm sorry that statement makes you mad....good...means you're awake.

I have no idea what the deal is with the 17 people no more than what the media tells me.And since the media used to report what's really happening on this planet I used to believe everything I saw on tube and in the paper. But since mainstream media has become nothing more than a Corporate shill, I have to question everything I read. Furthermore,since my Prime Minister has decided to only pick and choose who will get to ask him questions I can't trust anything resembling the truth coming from there either. Wake -up..the flow of information containing any actual truth is being squeezed thin to be replaced with "sound bite " politics. So yes.....unfortunately I have come to the point where I question it all.

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Bullshit! Wake up everyone, this is the new Canada. We all like to pretend that Canada is different from the U.S., but we have more similarities than dissimilarities. An Islamic fundamentalist terrorist who hates Western ideals would have a hard time telling the difference between Canada and the U.S
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What is this "New Canada" you speak of? The one engaged in Afghanistan now? The one selling out it's resources? The one that's pulling out of Kyoto with no real viable other alternative being offered? The one that just increased the federal income tax rate for the lowest tax bracket in the Country? The one quietly with no press fanfare beginning to implement biometric screening? The one where the Pm has decided to restrict the flow of information out of his offices? That New Canada? Ya,I'm not really diggin on that whole new scene myself.

Put the war on terror aside for a moment, Afghanistan is a fools folly. Gawd,we have such national collective amnesia. Ask the Brits,ask the Russians...they'll tell ya all about Afghanistan.

How exactly does one fight a war like this? Terrorism has no borders,no single nationality,no single cohesiveness and I would argue that it feeds on retaliation like a fat kid on smarties.
How in the hell is being engaged in Afghanistan actually helping us deter this kind of behavior?

Ask yourself,how has the complete dismantling of Iraq made America more secure? Has is stopped terrorism? Does it even want to?

If those guys we're planning some shit,I'm dam glad they caught. Obviously I have no desire to see any sort of 911 type incident here. But I'm looking at the broader picture and I see a different one than you.

I see a disingenuous war. I see a Nation being sucked into the same bullshit fed our friends to the South. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with spreading democracy,or gettin the "evil doers" or anything even remotely altruistic like that. It has everything to do with protecting Corporate Multi National interstes. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about is in full swing and people are paying with their lives to keep it humming along.The amount of money that is being made off the backs of dead soldiers and civilian casualties is sickening.And I for one want nothing to do with that.

I don't propose to know what the answers are when it comes to dealing with terrorism. People didn't just get up one day and decide to "Hate the West",{for lack of a better term.} all of the sudden.There is much history behind the animosities. We've been screwing around in that part of the World for a long time and we don't seem to be making it any better.Mabye we need to look at new solutions. Which I doubt will happen. Too much Oil involved. Too much $$$ at stake and to many assholes gettin rich. 

That's my opinion,sorry if you feel it's what's wrong with this Country.....I don't see it that way.










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Canadians don't want to steal oil, so they must be safe... right?
« Reply #8 on: Jun 03, 2006, 09:35 PM »
I can see where this thread is gonna go...... :samsquanch: :samsquanch: :poke: :poke: :fencing: :fencing:

If we wern't now backing the US , would this have happened?????????????????????

I would have to say yes.

Firstly, this cell has been under the microscope of CSIS since 2004. Back in the anti US stretch our Liberal government was in. Remeber Sheila Copps!!!! Back when we snubbed the US on the Iraq war.

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I do agree with a lot about what you are saying regarding our PM. His arrogance will be his defeat. 1% GST Cut = 1% increase on products, so how are we saving?????

But I do agree with the Afghanistan conflict and support what our troops are doing there. To look at Afghanistan then and now, what a difference for the better. If a country willingly allows terrorists to not only live, but florish. Then we are at risk. But by removing thier safe haven, we are at risk..... We were damed if we Do or don't.

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« Reply #9 on: Jun 03, 2006, 09:50 PM »
hey fair enough jonny,

I just happen to believe that the supposed War on Terror that the US has launched has actually nothing to do with curbing terrorism and everything to do with a completely different agenda.

Bush didn't refer to 911 as his "trifecta" for nothing.


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« Reply #10 on: Jun 03, 2006, 09:55 PM »
hey fair enough jonny,

I just happen to believe that the supposed War on Terror that the US has launched has actually nothing to do with curbing terrorism and everything to do with a completely different agenda.

Bush didn't refer to 911 as his "trifecta" for nothing.



I agree with that statement TC, it had nothing to do with curbing terrorism at all, I've been doing alot of reading about what happened pre 9/11 and there is definitely a whole other agenda going on than what is being portrayed by Bush and the media.


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« Reply #11 on: Jun 03, 2006, 09:58 PM »
Fair enough.

A least we agree to disagree..... And that PM Harper can kiss my.......

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« Reply #12 on: Jun 03, 2006, 10:19 PM »
http://baltimorechronicle.com/trifecta_jun02.shtml

9/11 and going to war has nothing to do with the War on terror,it was the last excuse he needed to raid Social Security.

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Shortly after Sept. 11, George W. Bush interrupted his inveighing against evildoers to crack a joke. Bush had repeatedly promised to run an overall budget surplus at least as large as the Social Security surplus, except in the event of recession, war or national emergency. "Lucky me," he remarked to Mitch Daniels, his budget director. "I hit the trifecta."


Yes how lucky for George and all his rich freinds :roll:

In fact he thought his remark was so clever ,he used it over and over again at Republican rallies and fundraisers leading up to the election.How nice for the families and the victems of 911.....to be used as comedy fodder at some elitist wine and dine.




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« Reply #13 on: Jun 03, 2006, 10:50 PM »


Found this pic some time ago.

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« Reply #14 on: Jun 03, 2006, 10:59 PM »
I love your posts trailerchick.

It makes me really sad to see people falling for this shit - not only falling for it, but actually being accomplices in it by spreading this panic. Your fear almost directly translates to a dollar amount for the interests who are at war now. IMO, this Harper bloke has watched what has happened in Australia over the last 10 years very closely, and now Canadians are being conditioned the same way. Resist.

Terrorists are a disparate mosaic group of the disaffected (for whatever reason.. not always poverty or hardship), held together very loosely under the banner of a religion. Just like, say, Animal Liberationist groups: simple objectives with no centralised leadership. The faces you see of terrorists are red herrings and theyre legend is created by how much interest they attract from western/Israeli intelligence organisation and law enforcement. They are creations of us. They can not be directly attacked and so they are the perfect vehicle for generating fear in the apathetic, illinformed [edit: and misinformed..], overpaid and largely atheistic/agnostic masses [edit: not to discount the evangelical Christianity movement.. but that goes without saying, right? I think the Buddhists need to sack Richard Gere's punk arse and get Jack Nicholson to front the cause].

Peace & Love  :bubs:
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« Reply #15 on: Jun 03, 2006, 11:15 PM »
Actually to touch a little further on what you're talking about StoneChimes, I recently watched a 3 part series called The Power of Nightmares which talks about how the government induces fear for the power of political gain and found it rather fascinating. (It is avail on torrent sites).

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« Reply #16 on: Jun 03, 2006, 11:47 PM »
People who are afraid are much easier to coerce and controll......

J to the R O C , incredible story !  :shock:

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« Reply #17 on: Jun 03, 2006, 11:50 PM »
i know you guys aren't going to believe me, but i have a story to tell.


Yeah I think I got that story mailed to me in a chain letter once as well.  The internet isn't just for downloading porn, it is for speading urban myths.

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« Reply #18 on: Jun 03, 2006, 11:54 PM »
The internet isn't just for downloading porn.

It's not? LOL Sorry Shake had to say it

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« Reply #19 on: Jun 03, 2006, 11:56 PM »
Yeah I think I got that story mailed to me in a chain letter once as well.  The internet isn't just for downloading porn, it is for speading urban myths.

i think i mentioned that i didn't expect you to believe me.  this isn't the first time i've mentioned this online.
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« Reply #20 on: Jun 04, 2006, 12:11 AM »
i think i mentioned that i didn't expect you to believe me.  this isn't the first time i've mentioned this online.

Yeah that is why I quoted that line.  Did you mention it here before?  If not, why not?

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« Reply #21 on: Jun 04, 2006, 12:28 AM »
If not, why not?

it's not a story i like to tell often.  no one believes me.  i'd have a hard time believing it if it hadn't happened to me. i question myself all the time, but i know what i saw.  i've seen that man's eyes before i saw his picture. i have absolutely no doubt it was him.

i don't expect or care if anyone believes it.  i lived it.

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« Reply #22 on: Jun 04, 2006, 12:40 AM »
Just for the sake of argument, Newt Gingrich made a retraction and apologised to Frank McKenna  (our Canadian Ambassador in Washington) on national television, because it was discovered by the 9/11 Commission that NONE of the terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada.

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« Reply #23 on: Jun 04, 2006, 12:45 AM »
Just for the sake of argument, Newt Gingrich made a retraction and apologised to Frank McKenna  (our Canadian Ambassador in Washington) on national television, because it was discovered by the 9/11 Commission that NONE of the terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada.

for the sake of what argument?  surely you're not responding to my posts.

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