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« on: Sep 13, 2004, 06:33 PM »
FishyNeil et al.,

Sorry for imposing, but I enjoy music and have an affinity for good drumming style and precision. On the drive home I was listening to a Primus CD. The title of the aforementioned disc is: "Tales from the punchbowl. The [specific] track is titled; "4. Southbound Pachyderm" (4th track). This particular tune, in my view, is a great piece of drumming. The drummer for Primus is Tim "Herb" Alexander ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Tim_Alexander.html ).

I would truly like to have the feedback of a bona fide drummer, and our good friend - FishyNeil - has the credentials. Others familiar with Primus, or the specified tune may be inspired to join in.

Further, does anyone else have a particular tune fraught with lofty bits of drumming action? Other notable talents included:
Dave Weckl ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Dave_Weckl.html )
Alan White ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Alan_White.html )
Lenny White ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Lenny_White.html )
Chester Thompson ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Chester_Thompson.html )
Harvey Mason ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Harvey_Mason.html )
John Otto ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/John_Otto.html )
Idris Muhammad ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Idris_Muhammad.html )
…et cetera. Lastly, I hope this topic hasn't been posed previously.

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« Reply #1 on: Sep 14, 2004, 01:49 PM »
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FishyNeil et al.,

Sorry for imposing, but I enjoy music and have an affinity for good drumming style and precision. On the drive home I was listening to a Primus CD. The title of the aforementioned disc is: "Tales from the punchbowl. The [specific] track is titled; "4. Southbound Pachyderm" (4th track). This particular tune, in my view, is a great piece of drumming. The drummer for Primus is Tim "Herb" Alexander ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Tim_Alexander.html ).

I would truly like to have the feedback of a bona fide drummer, and our good friend - FishyNeil - has the credentials. Others familiar with Primus, or the specified tune may be inspired to join in.

Further, does anyone else have a particular tune fraught with lofty bits of drumming action? Other notable talents included:
Dave Weckl ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Dave_Weckl.html )
Alan White ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Alan_White.html )
Lenny White ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Lenny_White.html )
Chester Thompson ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Chester_Thompson.html )
Harvey Mason ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Harvey_Mason.html )
John Otto ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/John_Otto.html )
Idris Muhammad ( http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Idris_Muhammad.html )
…et cetera. Lastly, I hope this topic hasn't been posed previously.

Best regards,


One of my favourite songs featuring drumming, is a John Mayall & the Blues Breakers ft. Eric Clapton doing a cover of Ray Charles' "What I say". Theres a great 5min drum interlude near the end of the song, its simple, but so good :)

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« Reply #2 on: Sep 14, 2004, 05:23 PM »
Baj et al,
  I really enjoy some of the drumming in Primus' music. This particular track doesn't do much for me.
Weckle the White's and Chester Thompson are all big freaky monsters. My fuck they know how to smack the skins.
Mason, Otto and Muhammad I am not familliar with but I will give them a listen to on your recommendation.
My favorites of all time are Neil Peart (Rush), John Pannozzo (Styx) and Roger Taylor (Queen).
These guys were the ones who influenced my drumming the most, in my formative years.
If you would like to check me out, here is a link to some sound clips...

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« Reply #3 on: Sep 15, 2004, 12:31 AM »
Fishy is the resident god of precussion! I am hoping he will play at our Orbit Room Party #2. Buddy Rich took drumming to the edge of insanity. Kodo drummers go over the edge from start to finish. Drummers are almost certainly the first musicians. Good on you, Fishy! :D !

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« Reply #4 on: Sep 15, 2004, 03:45 AM »
I took a listen to the song by Primus, it's pretty good stuff. The song sounds alot more like a jam than anything. The drums were kuol, but he's a double-bass pedal player, so he loses a couple of points :P I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to that, my philosophy being if you can't do it with one foot, then you can't do it. I say I'm a "bit" of a purist, because I prefer the match grip to traditional.

My influences were similar to Fishy with Peart (the absolute best in my opinion) I also drew great inspiration from other drummers like Bohnam from Led Zepplin, Steve Gorman, ex of The Black Crowes, Jimmy Chamberlain from the Smashing Pumpkins (original drummer also worked with Corgan on Zwan), Stuart Copeland from the Police. I'm a huge fan of off-time stuff, lot's of flams and drag taps, Bohnams 32nd note doubles on the kick drum were one of the first things I mastered, I love that sound.

I've been playing the skins since I was 16, 17 years ago. I was a huge fan of punk and later grunge and I'm really loving alot of the so-called EMO groups out there right now. There is alot of drumming talent out there these days, it's amazing. Off the top of my head: Blink 182, A New Found Glory, the Secret Machines, Taking Back Sunday, Yellowcard, the list goes on....

In closing, I'd like to say that in my humble opinion the most boring job for a drummer would be playing for AC/DC, almost all their songs use the same 2/4 rock beat.......snooooooooooooooooooooooorreee :P
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 26, 2006, 03:52 PM »
Neil Peart is insane with a high recommendation to Danny Carey the Tool drummer.  Tool rocks!
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 26, 2006, 05:10 PM »
I have to add Lars Ulrich to this list as well as Fred Coury of Cinderella.  :headbang:

Fishy, your opinion?

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 26, 2006, 06:13 PM »
I would add Joe Morello to the list, he was a very musical drummer. Had a way of beautifuly expressing the music through the drumming.

And I always admired Jon Bonham's ability at phrasing and expressing the rythym.

But the man who has it all (imo) is of course Neil Peart. Musical, creative, freakish execution, superb technique, solid tempo's...he has it all.

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 26, 2006, 06:18 PM »
I have to add Lars Ulrich to this list as well as Fred Coury of Cinderella.  :headbang:

Fishy, your opinion?

I like Lars but he is, personally, a bit of a fucking goof. I like Cinderella but Fred doesn't blow me away.
Angry Moose, I agree with you on the Bonham thingy.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 26, 2006, 06:32 PM »
Neil Peart is insane with a high recommendation to Danny Carey the Tool drummer.  Tool rocks!

Haha, dude, i was about to post the exact same thing lol, and even tho Rush and Peart are legends, i honestly feel Danny Carey is the stronger drummer, blasphemy i know, but i'm not the only one lol. EDIT zooom edits everywhere, just reread what i typed there, i'll say Danny Carey is my fave, not he's better than anyone else, i'll leave the technicals to the, um, technicians.  :) .

My influences were similar to Fishy with Peart (the absolute best in my opinion) I also drew great inspiration from other drummers like Bohnam from Led Zepplin, Steve Gorman, ex of The Black Crowes, Jimmy Chamberlain from the Smashing Pumpkins (original drummer also worked with Corgan on Zwan):congrats:
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 26, 2006, 07:02 PM »
Hey guys, here's a link to a topic I started. The link is right in the first post.
I rate this a 9/10 for animation and WOW/Holy Fuck on the talented Neil Peart.
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http://www.trailerparkboys.org/forums/index.php?topic=3392.0
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 26, 2006, 07:40 PM »
http://www.trailerparkboys.org/forums/index.php?topic=3487.msg62582#msg62582

I'm not sure what the dilio is there, but you both posted the same topic on the same day, pretty cool lol, Oct 17th.  EDIT my bad, yours was the 7th, bravehearts was the 17th hehe

Great clip by the way.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 26, 2006, 07:44 PM »
Great clip indeed.
BTW Bailey, I posted on the sixth of October and  the other one was on the 16th. Ergo, I win.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 26, 2006, 07:45 PM »
This fucking 16 hour difference is making things hard :lol:
I love the internet.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 26, 2006, 08:23 PM »
Howse about Jon Fishman.  Drumming for hours at a time.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 26, 2006, 08:27 PM »
I'm a bit of a drummer myself, I wouldn't say I'm a Neil Peart by any means but I can hold my own... I've always been a big fan of Ian Paice from Deep Purple, Neil Peart of course, I used to be heavily into Lars Ulrich til I figured out that he isn't actually that great technically, he's just got this offbeat thing that makes you think he's amazing, Charlie Benante from Anthrax, Herb from Primus is fuckin amazing, saw Primus twice in Toronto.. but more recently I've gotten into Joey from Slipknot, that guy is really fast and quite technical.  I always figured a guy that can play like him spinning upside down on a pentagram has to be pretty fuckin good... ;)

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 26, 2006, 08:28 PM »
This fucking 16 hour difference is making things hard :lol:
I love the internet.
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LMAO the previous post had me head scratching lol, but yeah, the time difference thing  :lol:

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 27, 2006, 04:08 AM »
I have to add Lars Ulrich to this list as well as Fred Coury of Cinderella.  :headbang:

Fishy, your opinion?

I like Lars but he is, personally, a bit of a fucking goof. I like Cinderella but Fred doesn't blow me away.
Angry Moose, I agree with you on the Bonham thingy.
Fishy

What the! Lars urlich ? the all the spinal tap stereotypes in one guy?? I always thought he didnt know how to drum shit and just followed the leading guitars!

Use too be and still am a big primus fan theyre base and drumwork will never get old indeed.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 27, 2006, 04:36 AM »
I have to add Lars Ulrich to this list as well as Fred Coury of Cinderella.  :headbang:

Fishy, your opinion?

I like Lars but he is, personally, a bit of a fucking goof. I like Cinderella but Fred doesn't blow me away.
Angry Moose, I agree with you on the Bonham thingy.
Fishy

Of course Lars is a goof, he's Danish!! :lol:
I like Fred because I know him, he's a great guy and is an accomplished musician. Little known fact about Fred, he is a Crown Prince. :o

Funny story about Lars. A good friend of my brothers built Lars's drum kit on the black album tour. The band and crew were in California and had a few days off before they left for Hawaii. Lars was pushing for another show so Dougie, my bros friend, took him scuba diving and gave him the bends, deliberatly :lol:

Djet, seriously, comparing the most commercially successful heavy metal band in the world to Spinal Tap?

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 27, 2006, 10:56 AM »
I gotsta go and listen to me some Tool - can't wait for the new album to come out!

On January 23, 2006, Tool website maintainer Blair MacKenzie Blake stated the following: "In a few weeks (mid-February) the members of the band (except for Adam) and their manager will be traveling to parts of Europe, England, Japan and Australia on a bit of a promo tour, meaning that they will be meeting with record company people and doing various interviews with the press in order to promote their new record and upcoming tours." In addition, Tool have recently been listed as one of three headlining bands to play the Roskilde Festival outside of Copenhagen, from June 29 to July 2, 2006.

Tool recently completed recording their fourth full-length studio album. According to the official Tool website on December 8, 2005, the new record will be complete after some "final tweaking, segues, art direction, etc." There have been some rumors about the new release, including possible titles, potential stylistic changes, and a slew of release dates. Tourmates Fantômas and Meshuggah have been cited as recent influences. Since the members of Tool avoid press and rarely grant interviews, there is little evidence to support any of these claims. The album is widely expected for a release sometime in the first half of 2006, according to blabbermouth.net, and toolshed.down.net seems to support this claim by suggesting a release date in April. On January 11, 2006, Blake confirmed only the former. Considering the rumor mill preceding the release of Lateralus in 2001, most reports regarding any specifics are not likely to prove true.

On December 20, 2005, two DVDs were released, one containing the music video single for "Schism" and the other for "Parabola". Also include with each DVD is a dual commentary section and a remix of each song by Brian Lustmord. In Europe, the DVD singles were released on January 9, 2006.

Additionally, Blair reported that the much-speculated-about live DVD is still in the works as a completely separate project, with the release date still "a great unknown."

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« Reply #20 on: Jan 27, 2006, 03:29 PM »
Tool is an absolutely amazing band but WEIRD.  They gotta be the only band I've ever seen that has a lead singer that's got stagefright so bad he has to hide in the dark for the whole performance!!  One of my favorite albums of all time is Aenima for sure...

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 27, 2006, 03:55 PM »
You know it brotha - diggin' the Blues Brothers avetar!  Maynard is a little F'ed in the head for sure.  All genius' are usually a little f'ed in some capacity or another!

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« Reply #22 on: Jan 27, 2006, 05:28 PM »
The Blues Brothas!!!!!  It's the pic that was drawn on the bathroom wall... Still one of my all time favorite movies.

Last tour I saw Tool, Maynard stood on a stage of his own in behind the rest of the band that was all backlit with a projector screen so all you could see was his sillhouette throughout the whole show!!  I don't remember him even addressing the crowd at all!!  Yer right though, fuckin total genius.



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« Reply #23 on: Jan 27, 2006, 06:42 PM »
Oh yeah, let the Tool hijakcing begin lol, checkout the address under my location, always a great source of info on Tool, and the FAQ is  very thorough, i've contributed to it a few times over the years.

Aenima is def a classic, and yeah, i've heard that the new album is going to be a lil heavier, influences from Meshuggah etc.  Shouldn't be too long for it to cmoe out.  Any of you guys own any of the picture disc Vinyls?

EDIT, Neil mate, i'd be interested in what your honest opinion of Danny Carey is, i don't know too many drummers.
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 28, 2006, 06:06 AM »
I have to add Lars Ulrich to this list as well as Fred Coury of Cinderella.  :headbang:

Fishy, your opinion?

I like Lars but he is, personally, a bit of a fucking goof. I like Cinderella but Fred doesn't blow me away.
Angry Moose, I agree with you on the Bonham thingy.
Fishy

Of course Lars is a goof, he's Danish!! :lol:
I like Fred because I know him, he's a great guy and is an accomplished musician. Little known fact about Fred, he is a Crown Prince. :o

Funny story about Lars. A good friend of my brothers built Lars's drum kit on the black album tour. The band and crew were in California and had a few days off before they left for Hawaii. Lars was pushing for another show so Dougie, my bros friend, took him scuba diving and gave him the bends, deliberatly :lol:

Djet, seriously, comparing the most commercially successful heavy metal band in the world to Spinal Tap?


Dude wait till you see theyre dvd Some kind of monster They have the worst retarded group discusions its hilarious! ALmost like watching Spinal Tap.. Especially Lars is the king of retarded discussions

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