Topic: Terri Schiavo dies (Read 1366 times)

RumNCoke · « **on:** Mar 31, 2005, 10:55 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/schiavo/index.html

purple_skwirrel · « **Reply #1 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 11:00 AM »

bigbenjamin · « **Reply #2 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 12:37 PM »

I have not followed the case very closely, but it seems pretty heartless to starve someone to death - i mean i wouldn't even treat a kitty like that, much less a person. I feel for her parents . .

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Mr. Stupidy Head · « **Reply #3 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 12:46 PM »

Yeah, it's not like starvation was outlawed by the Geneva Convention or anything.

Oh, wait-yes it was...

seriousguy · « **Reply #4 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 01:10 PM »

George Bush is a complete moron, thats all i have to say.

RangerF150 · « **Reply #5 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 01:14 PM »

Cruel and unusuall treatment , that's what you call torture ain't it ?

bigbenjamin · « **Reply #6 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 02:44 PM »

This hardened criminal is the notorious Gabriel Keys, being arrested by the Pinellas Park Police Department. Keys' heinous crime was that of trying to take a cup of water to Terri Schiavo.

(i drink a lot of water everyday . . peace)

T-Bag · « **Reply #7 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 02:46 PM »

I think living the rest of her life in that condition would be worse torture.

RangerF150 · « **Reply #8 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 02:52 PM »

I ain't gonna get into a flame war but !

The really sad thing about that case is that it was hijacked by a bunch of self important "do gooders" that do fuck all good for nobody , instead they just use whatever weapon they get their sad little hands on , in this case a child was USED by these self rightous wankers to force their ideals on others .

Thsese same fuckers will watch a homeless person die for the lack of food , would they tell the same child to help him ?
No they would cross that road , they are twisted perverted people that care not for the individual but rather their cause.

The parents of that child should be arrested for child abuse.

Just my two cents , i'll shut up now !

smokey · « **Reply #9 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 02:54 PM »

being dead is better than being a vegetable.

smokey · « **Reply #10 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 02:56 PM »

if her parents really loved her they wouldnt want to see their daughter suffer through a life that isn't worth living. if it was worth living, then she wouldn't need machines to do the living for her.

Jaloopa · « **Reply #11 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 02:58 PM »

if i had to choose between dying quickly or dying a slow painful two week death, i would choose the quick method every time.

bigbenjamin · « **Reply #12 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:02 PM »

Yeah, yeah . . i'm not even slightly interested in the politics . . but food and water, c'mon -that's not medicine or medical treatment . . i just don't beleive anyone should be treated that way . . if i wz Terri's father I don't know if I would have the strength to carry on. These are real people . . who can say absolutely how or what that poor woman felt? Very sad.

Detriot Velvet Smooth · « **Reply #13 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:05 PM »

I think that by pulling the plug on food and water they knew she would die. They should ahve at least givin her mega pain killers to stop the pain but if your doing that you might as well give them a drug that will put them out.

smokey · « **Reply #14 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:08 PM »

yeah, if the father loved her he wouldn't want to see his daughter suffer through starvation...

julian's-underpants · « **Reply #15 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:12 PM »

they were'nt mourning terry in her condition,they were mourning what she used to be. so now it's over for terry but i'm sure we haven't heard the last of it from everyone involved.Next thier going to be fighting over wether she will be buried or cremated.

Mr. Stupidy Head · « **Reply #16 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:19 PM »

Check out terrisfight.org

Specifically, "myths about Terri" on the left column as no matter what you believe people are way off on certain acpects of the case.

Such as Florida's legal definition of PVS.

bigbenjamin · « **Reply #17 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:27 PM »

Thanks MSH - Good info and balanced facts at that
http://terrisfight.org/ site, for example:

MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101:
Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind.
(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.

Terri's struggle for life has ended this morning.
December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005

Peace

julian's-underpants · « **Reply #18 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 03:30 PM »

is there any thing about what condition her brain was in? some are saying it was liquid..which i find hard to believe because a brain can't simply turn to liquid..i can see cranial fluid leaking into the brain..or tissue irreversably damaged.

Saucy Bastard · « **Reply #19 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 04:04 PM »

I can think of alot more painfull ways to go besides starvation ,I held my stepfathers hand as he died a much more agonizing death. He had asked us to help him die sooner ,but legal complications wouldn't allow it, instead he suffered not only pain ,but the knowledge that he was just gonna die anyways. If you can't feed yourself for 15 years ,what kind of life is that? I just hope that if something like that happens to me ,my loved ones can let me go .Prolonging life in situations like this is a huge strain on famillies and an already overburdened healthcare system.

Most sick animals and humans stop eating and drinking in their last days anyways.

Tallulah · « **Reply #20 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 04:29 PM »

In memorium; "Tunic" by Sonic Youth, 1990 from the album "Goo" originally written for Karen Carpenter.
------------------------------------------------------------------
[Kim]
dreaming, dreaming of a girl like me
hey what are you waiting for - feeding, feeding me
I feel like I'm disappearing - getting smaller every day
but I look in the mirror - I'm bigger in every way

I'm in heaven now - I can see you Richard
goodbye Hollywood, goodbye downey - hello Janis
hello Dennis, Elvis - and all my brand new friends
I'm so glad you're all here with me, until the very end

dreaming, dreaming of how it's supposed to be
but now this tunic's spinning - around my arms and knees
I feel like I'm disappearing - getting smaller every day
but when I open my mouth to sing - I'm bigger in every way

she said:
you aren't never going anywhere
you aren't never going anywhere
I ain't never going anywhere
I ain't never going anywhere

hey mom! look I'm up here - I finally made it
I'm playing the drums again too
don't be sad - the band doesn't sound half bad
and I remember mom, what you said
you said honey - you look so under-fed

another green salad, another ice tea
there's a tunic in the closet waiting just for me
I feel like I'm disappearing - getting smaller every day
but I look in your eyes - and I'm bigger in every way

goodbye Richard - gotta go now
I'm finally on my own - but Dan's got a gig
keep the love lights glowing - little girl's got the blues
I can still hear momma say: "honey don't let it go to your head"

RumNCoke · « **Reply #21 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 05:53 PM »

It's a shame it had to end this way. I didn't think it was fair for her to be kept alive in her state. I mean there's life, and quality of that life. But it was definitely wrong and inhumane for her to die so slowly. I'm trying to figure it out: euthanasia is wrong, but it's ok to starve someone to death. The parents were convinced that with proper physical therapy Teri could return to a semi-normal life. That's why they were trying to save her. My mom was also against allowing her to die in such a way. It upset her to know that if Teri was hungry or thirsty or in pain that she couldn't say anything. Who were really frustrating were all those people who pretended to care about her so they could get on TV. George W. Bush was so also frustrating to listen to. When this whole thing started he said something along the lines of: "when in doubt its best to air on the side of life." Who's he to say that. He's the former Texas governor, then there's Iraq. Every time he opens his mouth he sticks his big, fat foot in it. I digress...

trailerchick · « **Reply #22 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 07:53 PM »

The one thing that I learned from this case?? MAKE A LIVING WILL.!!

I watched this case closely because we had a similar{sorta} thing happen in our family.

My grampa had a massive stroke a few years ago....after a few days and a bazillion tests later,we were informed that he was basically a vegetable....tests also indicated that he was in considerable pain which they were dulling with morphine.We had two options...keep feeding him and watering him ....and let him live out what ever life he had left{he was 83}or since we couldn't pull the proverbial plug...the feeding and hydration tubes would be removed.My gran decided to have the tubes removed{apparently my gramps wishes}.
While I was glad that his pain would be over soon, I was totally horrified that we were basically starving him to death.I couldn't believe we could do that but not just give him a quick shot that would end it peacefully. The solution the doc's came up with , and while never spoken in so many word,but implied enough to get our consent...they started upping the morphine...until he basically died of an overdose.

I have a buddy, whose Mom is a nurse...who told me that this is a fairly common practice...that it's basically euthenasia...but not called that.

Whatever the legality of what was done...gramps died alot faster and less painfully than if we'd just let nature take it's course.

I wonder if this option was even considered in the Shiavo case?

hunnerbun · « **Reply #23 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 08:26 PM »

Here is a copy of a post I made on another site in a thread about Terry Schiavo.....

Early this year my dad passed away. He was 67 years old and had severe emphysema. He was still fairly active so it came as a complete shock when he died.
My mother is a retired RN.
My dad had a cardiac episode on the back steps of their house...my mom was there, called 911 and did CPR on my dad until the ambulance arrived. In her mind she knew he would not survive to "be himself" if they were able to resucitate him. She knew the ambulance attendants who came and basically told them no heroic measures.
The last thing my father would have wanted was to have to exist on a ventilator for the rest of his (un)natural life. I agree with my mother's decision 100%. She also asked me, many times after wards if I thought she made the right decision about my dad...I think she felt guilty for not being able to help him more then she did.
I remember her coming home from work some nights wondering why people prolong the life of someone who is so obviously suffering. She would say in a joking way (that only a nurse of 25 years could) about the tattoo she was getting...DNR (Do Not Resucitate) just over her heart, in case she was ever in that situation.
Now maybe this was because she did see so much suffering but I too feel the same way.
Flutegirl, I think if you feel that way, you should have a living will drawn up.
I also agree with the part about her parents not being ready to let go.
I was deeply saddened that my father died, but I would rather he died fairly quickly and with as little pain as possible then to linger suffering for who only knows how long....
I also believe that people who have "regrets" or unfinished business with people in this situation seem to have a harder time letting go.
I never missed the opportunity to tell my father that I loved him....do I have regrets...of course I do, I regret not getting home to Cape Breton for Christmas this past year, but I live in Manitoba... I am pretty sure my brother and sister who both live in Halifax regret not going home more then I do since they were so much closer....

I personally think it would do more harm then good to reinsert this poor woman's feeding tube....let her be at peace at last. As for the husband, I don't think he is a horrible person. The poor man needs some closure to this situation and some time to grieve and heal.

Anyway...thats the end of my rant...this has been very cathartic...

hunnerbun · « **Reply #24 on:** Mar 31, 2005, 08:35 PM »

I do agree that starving to death is not the best way to go, for crying out loud...if our pets are sick or dying we have the choice to end their suffering. Maybe this will change some things. If enough people start making their wishes known in living wills, then maybe the case for , for want of a better word, human euthanasia will become an accepted means of terminating the life of someone in Terry's situation. Notice I said IF ENOUGH PEOPL START MAKING THEIR WISHES KNOWN....I am not saying that this can be just done willy nilly...there would have to be some sort of documentation saying thats what the person in question wanted...otherwise people would be having each other "put down" for any old reason.
Realistically there has to be a far better way then just starving to death.

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