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bigbenjamin

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« on: Mar 03, 2005, 11:09 PM »
4 RCMP officers murdered on Alberta Pot Farm
Last Updated Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:37:43 EST
CBC News

ROCHFORT BRIDGE, ALTA. - A raid on a suspected marijuana grow operation in rural Alberta has left five people dead - four of them RCMP officers. It is the single worst multiple killing of RCMP officers in modern Canadian history.

"It's my sad duty to inform you that four RCMP officers, four brave young members have been killed in the line of duty," said RCMP Assistant Commissioner Bill Sweeney. All of those killed were described as junior officers.

According to police the incident unfolded early Thursday morning when four RCMP officers - three from the Mayerthorpe detachment and another from nearby Whitecourt, took part in a raid on farm near Rochfort Bridge. The officers were investigating allegations of stolen property and a marijuana grow operation.

Boys and girls, this sort of shit should not happen - could also have some affect on pot law enforcement.WTF!?


Sincere condolences to the families involved - very sad indeed :cry: !

bigbenjamin

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« Reply #1 on: Mar 03, 2005, 11:34 PM »
This reminds me of the Charlie Manson Hollywood Murders - Manson was the first "hippie" to do something really bad - before that hippies had a decent reputation for being mellow and peaceful - after that the media and society began to turn against the peace movement - this story of four young rcmp being gunned down on a pot farm - shite! - it is gonna move things in a more conservative and regressive direction - you heard it here first . . :cry: !

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 04, 2005, 06:01 AM »
That's really insane. Geeze... once the guy's caught, he's caught. What will shooting the police do? You'd think he was out of the Grand Theft Auto or something.
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 04, 2005, 06:33 AM »
OMG!  That's terrible!  And all over pot???  The culprits MUST have been up to something else as well that they're not divulging, I wonder what the "stolen property" could have been.

Our town/city (Ontario) always has a grow-op bust going on, and so far no one (authority or otherwise) has ever been hurt.  Maybe we've just been lucky, but I think it may be because those busted usually only get a slap on the wrist, a fine, then they're back in business somewhere else along the line.  Not sure how it is in Alberta.  I agree with BK, that is totally insane.

My heart goes out to the families and friends of those Officers  :cry:

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 04, 2005, 07:20 AM »
My most sincere and heartfelt condolences to the families.

Pot maybe a "harmless" drug to use but at the end of the day it's still illegal to produce and sell. This particular crop of pot was not harmless. Thankfully these kinds of horrible events are not an everyday occurrence (at least not in Canada). It just shows how sometimes the footprint of a particular issue is larger than we think. I've never smoked pot but I know that's not the case for everyone here at the ORG. Let's imagine pot was 100% legal and was regulated and taxed by the government (just like tobacco). Would the number of grow ops and police raids reduce? Well, I've never heard of police raiding a tobacco grow op. Who knows how the death of these four brave men will affect pot legislation? All I do know is that everything is more complicated than we think.

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« Reply #5 on: Mar 04, 2005, 10:35 AM »
Well, concidering the horrible produce that Prairy Plant Systems has produced for the Federal Government ,and the fact that the majority of Cdn Bud goes south ,Grow Ops will be here forever.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 04, 2005, 12:48 PM »
That is truly sad that 4 Officers had to lose their lives over some weed. My thoughts and prayers go to the family and friends. When I was younger, I always wanted to be a police officer. I often think about things like this....whether I would be alive today if I chose that profession. I guess my job is a little safer.

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 04, 2005, 01:57 PM »
I think that this will etiher help decriminalize it or make the punishments more strict
I wanted a lady, not fuckin cory and trevor

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« Reply #8 on: Mar 04, 2005, 02:41 PM »
Todays paper is all about the evil violence linked with grow ops .How many times has this happened before?( not very often or at all) Law inforcement and naysayers love oppourtunities like this . The  fact is most grow ops are still run by essentially law abiding "mom and Pop" and fly under the radar. The greedy criminal element gets cought more often and so "statistics" are skewed . This particular grower had a long history of violence ,anti social behavior and pedophillia, but people still say "Evil grow ops!" . Millions smoke it ,but many of them will never have the oppourtunity to grow it themselves. Untill the Government finds a way to grow good pot or licence proffesional (experienced) growers ,North America will still rely on illegal grow ops. Unfortunatly ,this situation will always attract a certain amount of greedy and unsavoury characters.

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« Reply #9 on: Mar 04, 2005, 02:56 PM »
Here's a bit of a follow-up in a local paper, from Canadian Press:

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=100380&catname=Local+News

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 04, 2005, 11:52 PM »
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Todays paper is all about the evil violence linked with grow ops. How many times has this happened before? (not very often or at all) Law inforcement and naysayers love oppourtunities like this. The fact is most grow ops are still run by essentially law abiding "mom and Pop" and fly under the radar. The greedy criminal element gets cought more often and so "statistics" are skewed.

Here's a quote from the article posted by purple_squirrel:
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"The issue of grow ops is not a ma-and-pa industry as we've been saying for a number of years. They are major, serious threats to our society and they are major, serious threats to the men and women on the front line who have to deal with them."
- RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli

I'm wondering saucy bastard, how do you know most grow ops are run "mom and pop" style. To me it almost sounds like you're defending grow ops (of course not ones that result in bloody shoot outs). I really don't understand this. The purpose of legalizing pot should not be so anyone over the age of, let's say 18, can get pot whenever (s)he wants. It should be to try to save lives. But where is the line drawn. There will always be illegal drugs, people who want to use them, and people who want to produce and sell them. Drug busts will continue to occur and eventually more officers will be hurt. Tobacco is legal, yet a huge amount of money is spent every year trying to get people to quit smoking. Who says pot is a harmless drug? I'm sure for every report produced claiming pot has no harmful side effects there's another claming the opposite. Who's right? When it comes to smoking, using any drug, or frequent heavy drinking my philosophy is: Why do it? You only have one body and one life so don't pollute it. I think a lame excuse is claiming you do it because you have "the right to."

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 05, 2005, 12:08 AM »
These are the four young men
who lost their lives in the line of duty:

Handout photographs of the four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers shot and killed near the town of Mayerthorpe, Alberta, March 3, 2005. The officers are Constable Peter Christopher Schiemann ( top L), Constable Broack Warren Myrol (top R), Constable Lionide Nicholas Johnston (bottom (L), and Constable Anthony Fitzgerald Orion Gordon.

Extremely tragic.

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« Reply #12 on: Mar 05, 2005, 12:17 AM »
Okay, tears coming.

I've always had a soft spot for our boys in red.  They will be in my prayers this evening, as well as their families, friends, and colleagues.


(me, in Ottawa, sometime in the late 70's)

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 05, 2005, 12:30 AM »
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Todays paper is all about the evil violence linked with grow ops. How many times has this happened before? (not very often or at all) Law inforcement and naysayers love oppourtunities like this. The fact is most grow ops are still run by essentially law abiding "mom and Pop" and fly under the radar. The greedy criminal element gets cought more often and so "statistics" are skewed.

Here's a quote from the article posted by purple_squirrel:
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"The issue of grow ops is not a ma-and-pa industry as we've been saying for a number of years. They are major, serious threats to our society and they are major, serious threats to the men and women on the front line who have to deal with them."
- RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli

I'm wondering saucy bastard, how do you know most grow ops are run "mom and pop" style. To me it almost sounds like you're defending grow ops (of course not ones that result in bloody shoot outs).


Given saucy's location (BC) - I'd say he's likely coming from personal experiences, as there is a huge number of grow-ops in BC. I have a friend who moved there last year, and 5 of the houses on his street alone are grow-ops.. not big ones.. just people growing for themselves. It's terribly common in "Vansterdam" - so much so that most houses listed for sale are required to mention whether or not there has been a grow-op within the house, because of humidity & other damage it can cause if not properly maintained.

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 I really don't understand this. The purpose of legalizing pot should not be so anyone over the age of, let's say 18, can get pot whenever (s)he wants.


While I won't comment personally on what the purpose of legalization should be, I do know that in Canada the issue has been raised that police resources could be better utilitzed to capture "real" criminals, people dealing in the more dangerous "class A" drugs, people with guns, theifs, etc.. "Why bother with a couple of shitsticks, when you can get the whole shit-trolly?" right? The cost to taxpayers to keep someone in jail for a 1-5 years for growing a small amount (1-3 plants) or 5-10 years for a larger amount (3+) far outweighs the actual crime. The people that get caught, for the most part are the greedy, money crazy, unsavory characters - huge, obvious 12h spikes in power bills, carelessness, and general size of grow-op play a considerable factor. The other main point that was argued on I believe you mentioned about the medical implications.. this is purely for one of the best treatments possible for terminal illnesses, with proven results, and countless testimony of its healing powers.

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Drug busts will continue to occur and eventually more officers will be hurt. Tobacco is legal, yet a huge amount of money is spent every year trying to get people to quit smoking. Who says pot is a harmless drug? I'm sure for every report produced claiming pot has no harmful side effects there's another claming the opposite. Who's right?


Pot is probably one of the, if not the most safe drugs around. It has been tested much longer than anything else sold over the counter. No one has ever died from a direct result of pot (Bruce Lee's original death certificate claimed it was due to marijuana, but was later revealed it was due to interaction with a prescription medication he had been taking, and not just the pot, as previously suspected). People die from cancer (ciggrits) & alcohol poisoning everyday - the only reason alcohol is legal in the states is because prohibition didn't work:

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sound familliar at all? holy deja-vu :P

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When it comes to smoking, using any drug, or frequent heavy drinking my philosophy is: Why do it? You only have one body and one life so don't pollute it. I think a lame excuse is claiming you do it because you have "the right to."


I'd much rather have the right to do what I want to my own body, as long as I'm not harming others by doing so, than be told what I can & can't do, that just seems like an infringement of my rights, and personal freedoms. Where you say 'pollute', others might choose 'enhance' as a better description - or 'enlighten'. Whatever reason you have for drinking alcohol, apply it to probably 90% of the drug users out there. It makes you feel good.. plain & simple - it's not a question of doing it simply because you can.

Alcohol is a drug too you know, probably one of the most debilitating out there from what I've seen :P - yet you find no problems in polluting your body with it?
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 05, 2005, 12:33 AM »
Great pic there, PS . . last year my family and I got to see the RCMP's musical ride at the CNE . . I took a ton of pics - quite amazing the precision and beauty of  what Canada's finest can do! I don't think there is a police force with a more positive image than our boys and girls in scarlet tunics!

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 05, 2005, 12:44 AM »
[thanks Ben]





I'm still in shock.  My father was friends with a couple of RCMP officers years ago when I was really little, maybe that's why it's getting to me so much, as I do remember them in a few of the happy moments of my childhood (besides the Ottawa trip).  That, and with all of the high-risk operations the RCMP participates in, I still can't get over that 4 four perished at the hands of these scumbag*...  :x

*One??  OMG, what a psycho!  I admit, I can't read the entire article(s), yet, I get too upset afetr the first parts.  :(

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 05, 2005, 01:08 AM »
PS - I think there was only ONE "scumbag" involved in this nightmare - a guy who'd been in trouble with everybody for a long while. It wouldn't have mattered what "business" this tragically messed-up guy was in - apparently he had a passionate hatred of cops. He hated his father . . typical of criminal types who are violent . . I saw an interview with the 80-year-old father. He called the police when he  or his daughter found a bag of grass under the guys mattress when he was 15! The old man said the cops kept the weed but layed no charges :roll: ! Said he wished he'd never called because after that his son hated him.  :cry:  - like i say - one-off. no "cheers" for this.

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« Reply #17 on: Mar 05, 2005, 01:38 AM »
Cat -Dog ,your post was so long that I won't wast space by quoting ,but I have to say: WELL STATED!!!! :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

I hope that no one thinks that I do not mourn for those 4 brave men and the famillies that they left behind ,because I do.

 
R n C said:. Drug busts will continue to occur and eventually more officers will be hurt.

Yes ,no one said that it was a safe job.
Far more officers have been killed by drunks -lets outlaw bars
Far more officers have been killed by cars -lets ban them too
I'd like too see how many officers would get shot at if they tried that!

Like I said before ,untill there can be a reliable supply of legal cannabis, most Canadians will have to continue to rely on marijuhana produced by illegal grow ops. The abismal failure of Health Canada and Prairy Plant Systems to grow quallity smoke shows me that that is still a long way off.
 
50% of ALL murders are commited while under the influence of alcohol!
I have maby 12 drinks a year because I have seen what an evil poison it is! but I will never tell anyone (except my kids) not to drink because I believe that one has the right to treat ones body any way they see fit.

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« Reply #18 on: Mar 05, 2005, 02:51 AM »
Once more into the breach - this is not about the rightness or wrongness of smoking grass or drinking booze - this was one fucked-up guy who seems to have killed 4 young officers for no good reason (as if there could be a good reason) - my thoughts are with the families who must be in agony :cry: !

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 05, 2005, 03:37 AM »
No doubt ,I feel teary at the thought of those wives and especially their kids. So many lives devistated.

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 05, 2005, 07:41 AM »
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Once more into the breach - this is not about the rightness or wrongness of smoking grass or drinking booze - this was one fucked-up guy who seems to have killed 4 young officers for no good reason (as if there could be a good reason) - my thoughts are with the families who must be in agony :cry: !

You're quite right bigben. I just thought I'd stir the pot a bit (no pun intended). I still have some issues but I'm going to drop them. There's no sense arguing over something that has no clear-cut solution.

Good discussion cat-dog and saucy bastard. Until next time... :wink:

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 05, 2005, 10:40 AM »
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Once more into the breach - this is not about the rightness or wrongness of smoking grass or drinking booze - this was one fucked-up guy who seems to have killed 4 young officers for no good reason (as if there could be a good reason) - my thoughts are with the families who must be in agony :cry: !

You're quite right bigben. I just thought I'd stir the pot a bit (no pun intended). I still have some issues but I'm going to drop them. There's no sense arguing over something that has no clear-cut solution.

Good discussion cat-dog and saucy bastard. Until next time... :wink:



It's totally unmellow, the poor familys that will now go through a shitstorm of shit!!!...

guns suck and have no place in the ganja world! (except on TPB) which i would hope is done with irony in mind as i've heard nothing but good things about you guys and guns....

ban guns and make ganja manditory!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 05, 2005, 01:28 PM »
Funny how it is that how and when they choose to release information can distort peoples perceptions about a situation!
New info released by the RCMP shows that it wasn't about a grow op . A baillif was there to seize a truck and when the suspect fled in said truck he called for the RCMP .A search of  the quonsit hut and found an illegal chop shop with new vehicles in peices. They then obtained a search warrant and found a realitivly small grow op. 20 plants and a few kg of pot ( They always weigh ALL cannibis material- stems roots crappy leafs shake and the buds). Remember that previous reports from his dad indicated that he liked to smoke pot. But the killings become "ABOUT A GROW-OP!" not "ABOUT A CHOP SHOP". It becomes an issue on the dangers of grow ops ,not an issue of the danger of THIEVES.

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« Reply #23 on: Mar 05, 2005, 01:43 PM »
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Funny how it is that how and when they choose to release information can distort peoples perceptions about a situation!
New info released by the RCMP shows that it wasn't about a grow op . A baillif was there to seize a truck and when the suspect fled in said truck he called for the RCMP .A search of  the quonsit hut and found an illegal chop shop with new vehicles in peices. They then obtained a search warrant and found a realitivly small grow op. 20 plants and a few kg of pot ( They always weigh ALL cannibis material- stems roots crappy leafs shake and the buds). Remember that previous reports from his dad indicated that he liked to smoke pot. But the killings become "ABOUT A GROW-OP!" not "ABOUT A CHOP SHOP". It becomes an issue on the dangers of grow ops ,not an issue of the danger of THIEVES.


A-Ha!  I thought as much, that there was something more to the story...

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OMG!  That's terrible!  And all over pot???  The culprits MUST have been up to something else as well that they're not divulging, I wonder what the "stolen property" could have been.


Still, though, very tragic :(

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« Reply #24 on: Mar 06, 2005, 05:36 PM »
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Pot is probably one of the, if not the most safe drugs around. It has been tested much longer than anything else sold over the counter...People die from cancer (ciggrits) & alcohol poisoning everyday - the only reason alcohol is legal in the states is because prohibition didn't work


There have actually been few long term studies done on the effects of pot and none of them have produced conclusive results. Marijuana like other drugs effects the psychological functioning of people and since there are at least 400 chemicals in pot (60 directly related to the active ingredent THC) the probabiliy of any conclusive findings anytime soon are slim at best. Also, there are documented cases of grow house operators getting drug-induced psychosis from exposure to pot, but this is only correlational information.

I'm not against pot, but it is not as "safe" as most people think. But it is "safer" then alcohol. Evern though both are bad
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