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« on: Nov 03, 2011, 04:12 PM »
After hearing a few of the people being interviewed by Howard Stern I was waiting to see Ricky any minute saying he was there to sell dope I don't know what these other dicks are doing here.

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 03, 2011, 04:24 PM »
Has anyone been to an Occupy rally? I admire the sentiment, but to be fair 98.99% of us can't sit around in tents outside town hall all day, we've got frigging bills to pay...


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« Reply #2 on: Nov 03, 2011, 05:34 PM »
Hi Tiggy !  Nice to meet ya !   :D
Interestingly, here,  the Occupy folks moved from the City park to in front of the courthouse because the Jr. Leaguers /aka soccerMoms are having an event . I thought it was kind of cool that they moved peacefully .....

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« Reply #3 on: Nov 03, 2011, 05:38 PM »
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I admire the sentiment, but to be fair 98.99% of us can't sit around in tents outside town hall all day, we've got frigging bills to pay...

I agree with the idea too, the other 1% who have the time mid day to occupy, and speak out, are not alone &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Unless they are paid, I think that is misrepresentation, as are political rabble rousers, and hate peddlers.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 03, 2011, 06:52 PM »
I agree with the idea but saw some protesters on TV today deliberately knocking a cop off his bike. That's not the way to get a point across. I hope it all doesn't end up with a bunch of senseless violence and ignorance.

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 04, 2011, 12:51 AM »
   I've been down to Occupy here in Detroit several times now. It's basically become a service center for the homeless. They should keep the Wall Street occupation going indefinitely but I don't see the point of Camping for Justice in Detroit. The people they're protesting obviously don't give a fuck about Detroit anyway.
    Barely seen any  :beermug: there and absolutely no  :6paper:! And all the bad real drug trade - dope (REAL dope-heroin- not what Canadians so innocently call dope) and crack - has moved away from that park, likely over to the other side of I-75.
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And Shitrock's in the cradle and J-Roc's hoes
  Little Bobandy and the way that she goes
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 04, 2011, 08:34 PM »
Your right, as far as I see it, the powerbelt that has further ruined Detroit's chance to recover, is not going to see the occupation there.  Wall Street is, and will be the nexus of a working class protest. 

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 05, 2011, 03:59 AM »
   Here's the REAL protest in Detroit. Nickelback are slated to play at halftime during the Detroit Lions Thanksgiving Day game. This has to be stopped. Sign the petition against it at www.change.org. I know there's people out there who know the anguish of Nickelback potentially ruining a big game.  Winnipeg, I'm looking at you. And Alberta, as far as I'm concerned, you owe it to us to sign this petition. Show some civic pride and demonstrate to the world that you're better than these Nickelback clowns. You're just lucky I like KD Lang.
    One signer wrote that he'd rather listen to a ceiling fan hit his dick than Nickelback. Ha! :ricky: :6paper:

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 05, 2011, 08:21 AM »
Has anyone been to an Occupy rally? I admire the sentiment, but to be fair 98.99% of us can't sit around in tents outside town hall all day, we've got frigging bills to pay...


Here's a good article on how you can support the movement without sleeping in a park

http://iamlaurenleonardi.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/eleve-simple-ways-to-support-the-occupy-movement-without-sleeping-in-a-park/

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 05, 2011, 11:38 PM »
I think the movement is foolish Wall street isn't the problem with the country or the world. 99% of the people don't have a clue why they are there other than the want to protest against something. They should be protesting the government that is were the problem is at. The Government is the ones that gave our money to the banks and a few big union companies while letting the rest of us fend for ourselves.
Wall street is were companies raise money to operate without it unemployment would be 50%. Sure there are a few CEO that are over paid but I would bet my life there aren't a 100 of them.
Remember it take 10 to 15 people working in the private sector to pay for one federal employee.

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« Reply #10 on: Nov 06, 2011, 08:06 AM »
The powerful 1% control the Gov't and sadly us 99%.  If the Govt is under their control who will stand up to them?

That whole Mortgage crisis was caused solely by the greed of Wall St.  Bush sat back and let it happen.  A few people got VERY richer playing with our lives, while so many more suffered and will suffer for years to come.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 06, 2011, 05:28 PM »
Right on shake.  I read somewhere that money is controlled by only 0.01% in the US alone. Not by the Fed, but by Autocrats who manipulate the government, media, and small business' too.  That averages 1 taking prosperity away from 10,000.  Now count the total unemployed, and under employed, divide that by 10,000 and most of those people can't support themselves because a few dozen corporate committees decided that every single part of a manufactured item 'WE BUY' will be out sourced to Asia, and they started by introducing federal tax cuts to "create fair trade in a global market" BULL SHIT!  Fat CEOs are just shifting back to robber baron economics because those countries have no unions or working class representation.

mmm-hmm   I'm stepping down from soapbox,  Sorry  :shock: :6paper:

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 06, 2011, 06:18 PM »
Excellent posts, Shake and Cinthb!

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« Reply #13 on: Nov 06, 2011, 06:21 PM »
mmm-hmm   I'm stepping down from soapbox,  Sorry  :shock: :6paper:

No worries C, these types of threads are for soapboxing.

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« Reply #14 on: Nov 06, 2011, 07:07 PM »
So if you do away with the Corporation where would people work.

Jobs move overseas for one reason cheaper labor. A big part of that is the value of the dollar. If we had a dollar that was equal to the Peso then the jobs would stay a home but we want a high standard of living without the price so we all buy imported items that are made in a cheap labor country.
I know you guys are very liberal but you need to really inform your better. Stop listening to people who say what you want to hear and learn the truth weather  you agree with it or not.
What is wrong with a person making as much money as he can? I bet you make more money than others what would you do if they told you that you shouldn't make as much as you do because you make more than them.
The bottom line rich people make jobs poor people don't and the government  doesn't do anything but take your hard earned money like a thief. Most Federal workers make close to 6 figures I don't hear anybody complaining about that.
Sorry we don't agree guys.



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« Reply #15 on: Nov 06, 2011, 08:03 PM »
Can't see the boys having anything to do with that crap.  They always fended for themselves (illegally of course) and didn't ask for any help or worry what someone else had that they didn't.  Julian was a great entrepreneur. 
Ho Ho's and Ding Dongs are not the same thing!

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 06, 2011, 08:42 PM »
I never thought about the TPB and occupy until you brought it up gabety.  Then I remember that in the end of ep six they revealed that Julian bought all the trailers for the people in the park that got evicted, renovated them and sold them back to them at a reduced rate, the opposite of the big banks that made so much money off sucking people into buying homes they can’t afford, betting that they would not be able to pay, and then foreclosing.  I think that pretty well tells you what side of the fence they would be on in this matter.

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 06, 2011, 09:05 PM »
Just clearing up one myth as a reminder to not look at all we see in black and white, or liberal and conservative.
I am a registered Republican, and have been since 1977.  I believe capitalism works great, as long as the working class has a voice.  Yes, I could easily speak against the US massive government at the same time as the autocratic corporate thieves, but I prefer to address one nationally fucked issue at a time.
  We can disagree on what and who is causing job loss in this part of the world, but don't tell me I'm liberal, just because a narrow view of world politics says my dissatisfaction with corporate money games makes me so.  Even that pig dick Michael Moore is right on on rare occasions.  Same goes for blank look in the eyes Bush.
  Who knows what degree of conservative concepts any person contributes to while calling themselves liberal.   I know for a fact what my leanings are and must laugh, I guess, rather than rage, at this notion that everyone falls on one side of a simple minded political seasaw concept.  I see and hear that crap every day, and have even lost friends over the vitriol inspired by such narrow views.
  The authors of the BIll Of Rights condemned any power over the people.  Over the last 100 years the money power has been tempered by unions, states, and fed. government, but in the last 25 to 30 years those safety valves have been disabled through legislated rules, and destabilized labor unions. 
Sure, the rich create jobs, but organized labor groups make those jobs safe, and reasonably supporting.
Like Yin and Yang, absolute power can not stand.

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 07, 2011, 12:41 AM »
Just clearing up one myth as a reminder to not look at all we see in black and white, or liberal and conservative.
I am a registered Republican, and have been since 1977.  I believe capitalism works great, as long as the working class has a voice.  Yes, I could easily speak against the US massive government at the same time as the autocratic corporate thieves, but I prefer to address one nationally fucked issue at a time. 

You may be registered republican but the party has moved so far to the right that they have left you behind. You are somewhere in the middle. In fact 30 years ago you probably would have been a "Regan Democrat".

Riverman you've got that peasant mentality down pat.

Stop listening to people who say what you want to hear and learn the truth weather  you agree with it or not.

Who can I listen to to become informed.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." 

William J. Casey - Head of Reagan's CIA after his first staff meeting.

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 07, 2011, 07:48 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 07, 2011, 07:57 AM »
Sorry Cintbh I did not mean to offend you when I called you a liberal. I am very liberal on somethings and not so much on others.  I believe there is no excuse for people to go hungry in our countries as wealthy as they are, I believe the mental illness is the most under treated illness in the world and that a country should only go to war when its homeland is at threat.  I am a registered Republican but I find myself being more independent these days. 
 After saying that there are only about 25 major banks on wall street the rest are more community type banks. Occupy isn't going after just the biggest bank they are going after wall street  a foolish and misguided idea.  I would agree with them if they went after the Fed and the Big Banks and the President and the former President who are both bought and paid for by the big banks and Warren Buffett.
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You want to throw rocks at the Republican party I assume you are a Democrat I think you need to take a look at your party A party of the working man in the 50 in 60 unless you were not white.  Your party burned churches and made blacks vote for your party with a rope in their hand.
History is fact no matter how your party like to change it.
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 07, 2011, 08:05 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 07, 2011, 10:22 AM »
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That is another problem reporters who give their slant with their Bias as fact. The Word Wall Street should not be in the article at all It should have read The United States Largest bank just because you can buy their stock on Wall Street has nothing to do with the problem.
Barry Ritholtz  article was about 20% fact and 80% opinion but it was written as all fact. So Johnson and Johnson and McDonalds are evil because they sell their stocks on Wall Street.
The truth is  this is  just part of being a Capitalist system. Excesses come that cause recession which brings the markets back in line it is not a perfect system but it works better that any other system. The problem this time is the Governments are giving our tax dollars to help out the companies that caused the mess. I don't blame a company for taking free money. I blame the Government for giving them our money.

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« Reply #23 on: Nov 07, 2011, 07:51 PM »
Way she goes.  Don't want to get to deep into this.  Shake it takes a capitalist like Julian to afford the deed he did (we won't go into the sourse of the money).  He did it for his people.  Government can't do that, there is not enough.  Capitalist like Julian give back all the time.  Doesn't make you a sympathizer of the "occupiers".  The whole show is about people taking care of themselves and each other, the "park" is the whole world to Julian, Ricky and Bubbles.
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 08, 2011, 04:32 AM »
Tiggy
That is another problem reporters who give their slant with their Bias as fact. The Word Wall Street should not be in the article at all It should have read The United States Largest bank just because you can buy their stock on Wall Street has nothing to do with the problem.
Barry Ritholtz  article was about 20% fact and 80% opinion but it was written as all fact. So Johnson and Johnson and McDonalds are evil because they sell their stocks on Wall Street.
The truth is  this is  just part of being a Capitalist system. Excesses come that cause recession which brings the markets back in line it is not a perfect system but it works better that any other system. The problem this time is the Governments are giving our tax dollars to help out the companies that caused the mess. I don't blame a company for taking free money. I blame the Government for giving them our money.

Reading books again, Julian?     :6paper: :)