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bigbenjamin

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« on: Jan 08, 2005, 02:40 AM »
Here is a picture I took in Montreal a few  months ago. It was inside the crypt of the cardinals of Montreal, this is but one of many sarcophagi in the rather cold, but homey, chamber.

During the past year 20-some-odd fish died in my pond because of my stupidity. My dear kitty, Bitsy, of 17 years, was buried in the garden. My generous and comical mother-in-law also died, at age 85.
 
From day to day my feelings about my personal death change. What is death? Is it real? Help me out here.

Becca

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 08, 2005, 08:03 AM »
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During the past year 20-some-odd fish died in my pond because of my stupidity. My dear kitty, Bitsy, of 17 years, was buried in the garden. My generous and comical mother-in-law also died, at age 85.

From day to day my feelings about my personal death change. What is death? Is it real? Help me out here.


Hiya, Ben.

I know this will sound cliche but death is a part of life.  Having said that, it's the timing and circumstances of a loved one's death that is sometimes hard to accept.  I firmly believe that there is another life or existence after this one - do I have proof?  Nope.  But I like to think that there is more after this - hopefully a more pleasant existence where one can co-exist with loved ones from this life.

As for personal death, I look at my death this way:  I'll never have to get up early to go to work again.  :lol:   At least I hope so!

Cheers,
B.

JulianRocks

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 08, 2005, 09:03 AM »
I agree Becca. I do believe there is something better waiting for us after death and we'll be reunited with loved ones. I am not looking forward to death but looking forward to seeing my dad, grandfather and a dear friend who died when he was 16. I miss them so much and the thing that comforts me is that I feel I'll see them again. May sound silly but that's how I feel.

Becca

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« Reply #3 on: Jan 08, 2005, 09:14 AM »
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May sound silly but that's how I feel.


That does not sound silly to me at all, JR.  In fact, it's one of the things I think about when I'm really missing my mom and other loved ones whom I feel left this life too early.  It helps me deal with the pain - well, that and a few "Julians". Heh.

I do believe there is more after this existence and we all have to answer for what we've done in this life.  Others may disagree and that's their choice.  But to me ... there's too much proof of an "afterlife" to simply ignore.

No, I don't see dead people. Heh.  I do see stupid people though (but I'll try to leave my co-irkers out of this ... hahahah ... I am so going to Hell ... or the EI line).

Cheers,
B.

JulianRocks

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« Reply #4 on: Jan 08, 2005, 11:07 AM »
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No, I don't see dead people. Heh.  I do see stupid people though (but I'll try to leave my co-irkers out of this ... hahahah ... I am so going to Hell ... or the EI line).

Cheers,
B.


LMAO! Oh Becca! I just love readin' your posts!You're so funny.....luv ya girl! :lol:

On a serious note.....thanks for the post. It's nice knowing ppl feel the same way. :wink:

Tpb_ricky

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 09, 2005, 11:09 AM »
im 20 years old im not the smartest kid but i think death is obviously natural and obviously the most natural fear for any living animal. im scared to death of dying cause i think me being on this earth right now my own person and  being able to make my own decisions is more of a miracle then a planet able to start all of these  different types of life through billions of years. i always beleived in a god or an after life untill about a month ago when i thought i had aids and was preparing for the worse and listening to people who really are gonna die soon and how they start beleving in god and afterlife as an exscuse or just a way to cope with themselves dieng, I think life started over tons on tons of years and gas and explosions and all that shit and your life is just a bunch worthless/priceless shit that happens and when its over you go back to what it was like before you were born absofuckingloutley nothing, peace

bigbenjamin

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 10, 2005, 01:11 PM »
Forgive the length of this post,it is dark but honest,
this poem by Philip Larkin, THE OLD FOOLS:

What do they think has happened, the old fools,
To make them like this? Do they somehow suppose
It's more grown-up when your mouth hangs open and drools,
And you keep on pissing yourself, and can't remember
Who called this morning? Or that, if they only chose,
They could alter things back to when they danced all night,
Or went to their wedding, or sloped arms some September?
Or do they fancy there's really been no change,
And they've always behaved as if they were crippled or tight,
Or sat through days of thin continuous dreaming
Watching the light move? If they don't (and they can't), it's strange;
         Why aren't they screaming?

At death you break up: the bits that were you
Start speeding away from each other for ever
With no one to see. It's only oblivion, true:
We had it before, but then it was going to end,
And was all the time merging with a unique endeavour
To bring to bloom the million-petalled flower
Of being here. Next time you can't pretend
There'll be anything else. And these are the first signs:
Not knowing how, not hearing who, the power
Of choosing gone. Their looks show that they're for it:
Ash hair, toad hands, prune face dried into lines -
         How can they ignore it?
   
Perhaps being old is having lighted rooms
Inside you head, and people in them, acting
People you know, yet can't quite name; each looms
Like a deep loss restored, from known doors turning,
Setting down a lamp, smiling from a stair, extracting
A known book from the shelves; or sometimes only
The rooms themselves, chairs and a fire burning,
The blown bush at the window, or the sun's
Faint friendliness on the wall some lonely
Rain-ceased midsummer evening. That is where they live:
Not here and now, but where all happened once.
         This is why they give

An air of baffled absence, trying to be there
Yet being here. For the rooms grow farther, leaving
Incompetent cold, the constant wear and tear
Of taken breath, and them crouching below
Extinction's alp, the old fools, never perceiving
How near it is. This must be what keeps them quiet:
The peak that stays in view wherever we go
For them is rising ground. Can they never tell
What is dragging them back, and how it will end? Not at night?
Not when the strangers come? Never, throughout
The whole hideous inverted childhood? Well,
         We shall find out.

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 23, 2005, 11:33 PM »
my tohughts on death are very predicatable casue i mstaying htem from my christian beliefs are that death is the next step towards eternal happiness or sad to say eternel tormenting its hard to say this but when u see murdereds or moletsers or something dieng that wernet sorry ofr anytrhing they did but when they hav funerals for them thier families always say thier with god now its sad to say that thier probasly not dpnding on if they were really sorry but theirs something good ideath and thats heaven words cant describe it i think people should eliminate hell and heaven from daily vocabulary cuase it takes the whole meaning out of it but when u walk in a graveyard too me i envy lots cause people think graveyards are creepy and they can really be creepy cause of spirits that didnt enter the spirit world for judgement are sitl lthier but if you look at it in a different veiwpoint u envy the people thier cause their with god as you look at their graves and death and is the next step to eternal; happiness and thats my veiwpoint and on creation of humans and belief on god i have lots of proof that he exists  like yesterday at church we had hte pastor neil meirs come to our church and he started the christian outreacgh centre movement when he was oraying for people veryone started shivering and collapsed on the gorund and people had visions and people were feeling a presence of God in the room and it felt very very very good u cant expalin how it felt and i hav lots of other proof and thats my beliefs on life and death

peace out all :D
We All Live In Fear Of Something
We All Dissappear Like Nothing
We All Live in Fear Of Something
We All Are Equal Less Than Nothing
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 24, 2005, 12:10 AM »
It would be superfluous, tedious, hyperverbose and generally annoying for me to throw in on a subject like this.  I have three books by different authors simply named "Death" with various subtitles.  --I'll stick to being morbid at more inappropriate times.  (attempts cheerful irony)

bigbenjamin

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 24, 2005, 12:37 AM »
Thanks Tyler,
I used to see things as you describe - Heaven/Hell etc., and later I was an atheist. Then I had an experience, the Japanese call it "Kensho", kinda like the mini version of "Satori". For the 6 months it lasted everything was crystal clear and co-equal and inter-connected. I am certain we have always been around and will continue to be. Problem is we (I) become so attached to this identity construct, that the thought of dis-incorporating to roll the molecular dice and go with the recycling flow can be a scary thought.
Pretty religious stories fill a very real need, sort of.
Also how would you like to die? I fear sudden death. I want a slightly lingering death, just to get as prepared as possible.
My friend and student, Dr. Fuse (foo-say) says the best death is instantaneous - he would like to be at the wheel of a very fast sportscar when it hits a stone wall. That is the exact opposite of my dream death. How about You?

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 24, 2005, 12:43 AM »
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"Kensho", kinda like the mini version of "Satori"
the Old Religion of the mountains I am from simply call it "Grace".  I like the term though I am not of the Old Religion.  
Find your ancestors to be at peace.  

I'm not sure to what extent this belongs permanantly in a forum for a comedy (albiet a dark comedy)

bigbenjamin

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« Reply #11 on: Jan 24, 2005, 12:56 AM »
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"Kensho", kinda like the mini version of "Satori"
the Old Religion of the mountains I am from simply call it "Grace".  I like the term though I am not of the Old Religion.  
Find your ancestors to be at peace.  

I'm not sure to what extent this belongs permanantly in a forum for a comedy (albiet a dark comedy)


Howdy Sus, Like a state-of-grace? I like that. I think lots of folks have this kinda experience without pursuing it. I was not the slack zen buddhist that I am today when this "queerness" befell me (stop that fackin larfin!), it was an accident. I was looking at a pile of silver-grey and rotting 2 by 4s, next thing I was laughing. Best laugh I ever had :D !

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 24, 2005, 01:15 AM »
It happened to my grandfather, the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, considered to be "touched" from birth.  He tried to deny it with a life of drinking and gambling- and then one day drunk coming home through a cornfield he collapsed.  No one saw him until two days later, when he arose a preacher and some say a prophet.  When my mom was a little girl people would come by to have him sing to them and touch them to cure their ills- and it wasnt like that Billy Graham shit.  The sect I speak of has less than 1000 small churches in the world, almost all in Appalachia.  Among the claims to fame of the "Old Regulars" is having one of the first black preachers to a white segregation in the 1800's, and the fact that some of the small buildings doubled as synagogues on saturday.  These people knew tolerance, faith and honesty.  I could go on forever,  I would probably be a convert myself but they have some leftover baggage that makes them oppresive to women.  Still, they're the coolest Christians I've ever seen and their music RULES and has been studied by ethnographers for being so awesome and unique.

bigbenjamin

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 24, 2005, 01:20 AM »
WOW - Sister Sus! Could you hit me with a link or two re: the sect you speak of?

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« Reply #14 on: Jan 25, 2005, 12:30 PM »
the answer will come to you after you smoke a joint, and you will talk about it for an hour just rambling on about death, and the meaning of life or the galaxy.
it's more than just a walkie.

Tpb_ricky

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« Reply #15 on: Jan 25, 2005, 04:10 PM »
thats some pretty deep shit and thats why i dont think any of it is true. I think you guys are thinking to much, its common sense you die and your gone forever but no one wants to beleive it cause its instinctivley the scariest thing to everyone

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 25, 2005, 11:00 PM »
im not using it as a way that im "scared of death' im not at all never was im only 14 but if u kno my life history and how it all pints to god's existenss and all the hell ive been thro and how i got out all of it it would be stupid for me not to belive in God someone told me after all youve bern through it would be stupid not to. but all the stuff ive seen at my church all the happenings and signs and adversary it points to its true but u hafta be me to understnad it


im not making it up its faith if u dont belive me its cool by me im jsut sharing my belifs peace out  :)

JulianRocks

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 26, 2005, 06:01 AM »
It's always good to believe in something misfit_ramone_Tylercat :wink: ....I believe in afterlife as well.

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 26, 2005, 04:47 PM »
thanx dude thats pretty rad